It is laughable though, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS. I think if you stuck this show next to a show like Death Note or something like The Animatrix, and asked anyone which was better, they would clearly say the latter choices. What I mean by better is, casts a better illusion. Creates a fuller world with the visuals by seeming realistic and yet beautifully surreal in its elements of non realism. This style is just too much.... If you asked any true critic of animation, I doubt they would tell you this was even close to as good as your trying to make it out to be just because Derrick Wyatt is attached to it. And calling this a comedic show? I think you have missed a few points yourself. This show is (and always has been) a science fiction action adventure for kids. Yes, there is strong elements of comedy (more in some episodes than others), but Ben 10 was never intended to be entirely fun and games. Its a mix of things, comedy just being one of those things. Why would that ever be a basis for the style? The style is just not very good when it comes to the main characters mainly. Ive noticed the designs of the Nemetrix aliens can look very nice, and the animation itself is pretty fluid sometimes, but the simpler characters just lack proper designs, to me. Its like unless they have to do a big alien creature, they just kind of half ass it.
This is just the same argument though. You don't like it because you don't like it.
The thing is, this doesn't look like any more like this than this. You are making comparisons that really don't hold up--the style that Obata used in Death Note was tailored to fit the dark, brooding mood and the highly sophisticated story that that manga series told. Omniverse also uses a style tailored to the tone it uses--one that is not dark or brooding or sophisticated. It is the opposite. Also, the truth is, if you asked any critics of animation, they would tell you that Omniverse is a great, fluid cartoon, good by today's standards, and certainly better than any of the three series before it--when it comes to the animation, at least. (Don't mix up animation and design. They are not the same thing). If you compared any of the previous series to Death Note or the Animatrix, they would still choose the latter works. Because UAF was not revolutionary, and neither is Omniverse. They are just cartoons. And, if you asked any "real critic" of design, well...why should anybody care if a critic says something is drawn well or not? Art is a very subjective matter. What some people may find appealing may be seen by others as bland, or vice versa. There is nothing to quantify the quality of any art style, and definitely not how realistic it is. I maintain that calling OV's style laughable because you don't like it is still much.
Also, calling Ben 10 a science fiction show is a bit lenient--the scientific angle to Ben 10 is almost nonexistent. The only thing that would qualify it as science fiction is the fact that it features alien superheroes, and if that is all it took then every Superman story is a science fiction one. At least from how I see it, is is predominantly an adventure story, which was most evident in the original series, as it followed a simple villain of the week format. It's true, however, that Ben 10 isn't meant to be only one thing. Which is why it is not. But Omniverse is still a comedic series, in the sense that it's painted on a large backdrop of irreverence. The element of drama or severity is still there, just not as prominent, much like how UAF decided to go mostly for drama with occasional attempts at humor. And this still matters in regard to the style, because the story--which other people are complicit in coming up with--had to be matched by a fitting art style. And they hired Wyatt because his worked for the series they had in mind.
Personally, I always felt UAF was much more complicit in "half-assing" designs. It was definitely not trying very hard. Even/Especially when large monsters were concerned. But that's just me.
No, of course they never promised us it to be completely dramatic and dark, but when you go from a very solid plotline like The Highbreed arc in AF, or even some of the better episodes from UA (like "Solitary Alignment"), I would expect this show to carry on with that type of maturity. Instead, Omniverse is simply is a degeneration back to all the things the Ben 10 series had grown out of. Instead of growing with the audience, they simply took a step back. Now how is that consistent at all? Your only looking at Omniverse because you want to ignore the previous continuity, that's not how it works. There was a lot of stuff that happened before this show, and now they're basically telling us it was all worthless bullshit? That's pretty much a huge cop out on Derrick and Cartoon Networks part. They want more money out of toys and all that shit, thats really why they even redesigned everything. Thats what this comes down to.
That's silly though. Of course going from a solid, good story like that of the Highbreeds to Omniverse would be stupid, and it would be unfathomable for a couple of reasons (none having anything to do with the merits of the latter). The THING then is that that's not what happened. The Highbreed arc was the high of UAF, which was the problem, because it happened within the first fifth of it. What was there to see after that? Sure, there were some gems--Con of Rath and Prisoner #775 is Missing are still some of my favorite episodes--but by and large, it was highly inconsequential. And the thing also is, that there wasn't a lot of an audience to grow with. UA was losing viewers (as I already said). Maybe it "grew" too fast. Maybe people just didn't like it. It's also a bit iffy to say that it had grown out of anything--what Alien Force did was take some characters, look at the very bare facts about them (namely, their powers and names), and create completely new characters with their names and powers, and excuse those changes with "they just grew up." We never saw the characters and the story grow with them, they just did. So yes, Omniverse is a step back in regards to their characterization--back to something closer to what they originally were and the stories they used to engage in. It's not consistent with the series, true--but it's consistent in respect to the fact that it's doing something new with the franchise, relying on the past series only liberally. There were a lot of things that happened in the series before Alien Force, and what that series did was also say that a lot of those things didn't matter. Omniverse, on the other hand, has not denied anything nearly to the degree that UAF did. I'm not saying that it isn't a valid complaint you have, but it's the exact same complaint that critics of UAF had at the beginning. Things change, whether we like it or not. It's just a matter of not getting caught up with how much we dislike change.
Also, just a thing: Ben 10 only still exists because of the merchandise. Do they want to make more money? Yes. Who doesn't want to make money? Without the monetary support that the toy sales gave Ben 10, you better believe that AF and UA wouldn't exist. (And neither would OV, of course.) Besides, they have proved time and again that they don't need redesigns to keep making toys. That is pretty much the opposite of what is true.
You call me pretentious and yet you now act as if your opinion is agreed upon in unison by all Ben 10 fans when you say my opinions "stem from the idea that there was something to ruin in the first place"? Yes, there was something to ruin. The first 26 episodes Ben 10: Alien Force were pretty much the best thing that ever happened to the franchise. So many awesome episodes in those two seasons alone which made the previous series look like Bob The Builder. Not to say it didn't have weak points, but pretty much all of them were well thought out and had a mature, building atmosphere of tension which moved the story along nicely. The designs were all pretty good, (still not the best, better than Omniverse though). This one also featured Ben with his best Omnitrix, the original, just recalibrated, and pretty cool new aliens (despite pretty simple designs). It may be boring to you, but your kind of missing the point if you think that. Their intended to be slightly cerebral and have a sarcasm to them, not fastpaced and full of lame puns and kiddish humor like Omniverse which with that kind of writing doesn't come across very professional. Yes, yes, i know, to you its supposed to be that way intentionally, but just because your being funny doesn't mean you have to seem *stupid*. AF was smart and funny, something the OS always failed at.
It's true. I kind of went on a tangent here, so, sorry.
I'm not going to repeat what I said before, though--seasons 1 and 2 of Alien Force were seasons 1 and 2 of Alien Force. They were hardly representative of what came after, and they don't justify the weaker storylines that came after it. I certainly don't share your zeal for that arc.
I don't really think Omniverse is as stupid as you make it out to be. It is not Ultimate Spiderman, after all.
Quite honestly, it all comes down to opinion once again. I never said that was not the case. In fact, I've said the opposite. So many times. Like these!
Nothing has universal appeal
It's a matter of opinion
I have never said it is perfect. In fact!
It is not, after all, perfect
All I've ever said is, don't act like an incorruptible objective reviewer when the truth is that we all have our own biases and opinions. Just. Don't expect to not have your views opposed by somebody with a different opinion. We don't even have to be uncivil about. Discussing things is fun.
Also, Ben's aliens being voiced by one guy was done on purpose to show the fact that it is always Ben, with his own unique voice always slightly coming through in the aliens. It makes more sense like that, why have so many different people anyways? Doesn't just cost more for the network?
I think that's a pretty weak excuse. It's okay in theory, but you can't have one guy do a forty voices and expect them to stay distinct and appealing. Frankly, it made too many of the aliens have similar voices, and I can't imagine it was easy on Dee. In fact, we know that doing Humungousaur's voice all the time was uncomfortable to him. Having more voice actors for the aliens doesn't hurt the network's pocket at all, because most of these other voice actors have other roles besides those that they already normally do. (e.g. Paul Eiding is Blukic and Max, Eric Bauza is Driba, Yuri is Ben, Dee is Psyphon, David Kaye is Khyber, Rob Paulsen is Patteliday, Corey Burton is Malware and Azmuth, etc) there's really no drawbacks to it.
Oh please people stop acting like anyone that doesn't like this show is a bully or that DJW isn't off putting on forumspring.
It is a damn FACT that everyone has the right to make up their own minds about this show, and a lot about what people loved about af and ua changed for ov they have a right to not like those changes.
Grow the hell up stop feeding the trolls they dont want to debate you they only want to be the center of attention.
Datdude, please, please, please stop butting into my conversations just to say I'm a troll. I'm just a dude that is bored and interested in talking about cartoons. Do not reply if you have no interest in the discussion. I have never said that people don't have the right to their opinions. As I already noted, I have done just that many times. It doesn't mean that we can't talk about those opinions, however.
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